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Heil Hoppe: Some comments I borrowed

07.09.05 (1:27 am) [edit]

The debate on some of the issues we discuss is still raging at tomgpalmer.com. Mostly they are looking at the connections between the guru of the Rockwellians, Hans-Herman Hoppe, and his escapade with Jungen Freiheit, a radical right publication in Germany. I thought that some of the comments were quite interesting and have borrowed them for inclusion here. But you can the entire 100+ messages, including some real crap from Herr Hoppe's supporters.

First posting of interest:

I wrote to Professor Hoppe to get his response after a friend tipped me to this site.

Here it is:

Dear Professor Hoppe,

I read on a website an article about an interview you had with a German newspaper. The article is at http://www.tomgpalmer.com/arc... I see that you had one defender on the site who was very active in defending you from the criticism. I would like to know what your view is so that I could determine whether there is any merit to the criticism. Have you written a response anywhere (in English, please) that I could look at?

Andrew S.

Prof. Hoppe sent me a short email,

I do not comment on Mr. Palmer. My interview speaks for itself. There is nothing unusual or particularly controversial about it. Why don't you ask someone who speaks German.
HHH

I sent it to one of my professors who speaks German and he sent back a quick response that said that Hoppe was wrong and the interview was definitely very unsual and very controversial. Also that he then did some research and looked at Mr. Palmer's site and confirmed all of the remarks about Hoppe and "Junge Freiheit" being not in any way libertarian at all (my professor is more of a conservative, but friendly to libertarian ideas)-they are far right wing fascists and a nutty cult. And also that they're the type of people you might listen to - like you would to anyone - but definitely I should stay far away. I'm taking his advice.

Posted by: Andrew S. at July 6, 2005 12:23 PM

Some remarks on Hoppe and „Junge Freiheit“

First of all I have to admit that I usually do not waste my time reading publications such as “Junge Freiheit (JF)” – in my humble opinion the content is not worth the paper it is printed on. Unfortunately, the problem does not end right there – even today way too many sympathize with such publications and the ideology that stands behind it, apparently not having learned a thing from the darkest hours of German history (which, of course, proofs quite tricky if you deny much of it). That is sad, but even the most ignorant of us have the right to express their ignorance, even publicly.

What, however, truly disgusts me is if a self-proclaimed “libertarian” and a person associated with the “Ludwig-von-Mises Institute”, such as Prof Hoppe, gets in bed with such publications. And make no doubt about it: JF is not a mainstream paper in Germany (as a native German who has lived most of his life here I think I know what I am talking about) but rather a melting pot for the twisted ideas of Germany´s extreme right – from Neonazis to old Nazis (yeah, there are still a few around), from anti-Semites to other racists, they all find a forum in JF and similar publications. And even though JF is very careful with the words it uses, the message behind it is very clear and easily traces back to Nazi ideology or, to be more precisely, since the Nazis added nothing new, the “Völkische&rdq uo; ideology laid out by confused minds such as Lagarde, von Treitschke, Fritsche, Sombart, Chamberlain and so on (for a detailed study see Donald Niewyk, “Solving the “Jewish Problem”: Continuity and Change in German Antisemitism, 1871-1945”). It is also a no-brainer that if you give an interview in JF, you know exactly who your audience is.

That leaves one question: Why would a so called “libertarian” deliberately have his views published in such a paper? The one and only sound reason that comes to my mind is that he or she sympathizes with that paper. And taking a look at what Prof Hoppe has to say, this becomes fairly obvious. Not only does he ride a weak and unconvincing attack on democracy (or his weird understanding thereof), but also, though denying being a monarchist, praises the economic advantages of monarchy over democracy. Considering that he is interviewed by JF and that it is quite common for demagogues to disguise their real message in well-sounding phrases, just replace the monarch (whom Prof Hoppe does not like, but the system he stands for) with a “Führer” . You get the idea…

I do not want to dwell on Prof Hoppe´s understanding of economics or the lack thereof as Dr Palmer has already pointed that out but a short glimpse at the historic evidence is good enough to proof Prof Hoppe wrong. Taking a look at continental Europe from the 16th to the 18th century (the blossom of monarchy) I would find it difficult to label this time as one of economic prosperity, rule of law or great scientific progress. Even though I hate to agree with someone like Prof Hoppe, he does have a point on the oversized European welfare states and the redistribution that comes with it. What he does not tell his readers at JF is the fact that the German welfare state experienced one of it´s greatest increases in size during Hitler´s twelve year dictatorship (certainly not a time of “robberish” democracy). As Prof Götz Aly showed in a recent publication (“Hitlers Volksstaat”), the Nazi regime was a “dictatorship of favours” to buy the people´s support, especially during the war years. What occurred was a massive redistribution, and often enough that meant taking from Jews and other “undesirables&rdquo ; across Europe and handing it to the German population. Many of Germany´s welfare laws that are still in existence today date back to that period!!!

To sum things up, it is disgusting if a so called “libertarian” uses a creepy extreme right-wing paper to present his views, but as a famous saying goes “Sage mir, wer Deine Freunde sind, und ich sage Dir, wer Du bist” (Translation: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are).

Posted by: C. Verheyen (Hamburg) at July 6, 2005 07:05 PM

It is hard to believe that some of Hoppe's defenders are still trying to justify this man.

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.10.05 (8:02 pm)

Much comment on Justin Raimondo's seeing of Jews under every couch at Catallarchy:
http://catallarchy.net/blog/archives/2005/07/09/i-did-not-think-it-possible/

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.18.05 (9:11 am)

Hold your nose and check out this post from No-Treason.com which points to where Lewrockwell.com contributor Bob Wallace saying the following:

"Blacks are genetically intellectually inferior, always have been, always will be. Except for music and sports, they will always be on the bottom. They’ve never had a culture worthy of the name, never will.

Asians have an ages-old group mentality than I doubt can be eradicated. They have no creativity, and I doubt anything can be done about that, either.

There never was a Muslim Golden Age. Most of it consisted of stealing from Christians and Jews. Islam was, and always will be, an intellectually and morally dead obscenity. It is the worst thing that has happened to the world.

Jews will always be ostracized because of their attempts to destroy every culture that admits them.

Whites will always be on top, Asians right underneath them, Mexicans far below, and blacks right at the bottom.

Nearly everything in the world has been created by Western Christian civilization, especially in America since 1776."

More here:

http://www.no-treason.com/archives/2005/07/17/jews-will-always-be-ostracized-because-of-their-attempts-to-destroy-every-culture-that-admits-them/

posted by: Bill Woolsey (reply)
post date: 07.18.05 (2:29 pm)

I have trouble finding much by Bob Wallace promoting the racist and anti-semitic views in that one post. On his website, he does have a criticism of Tom Palmer. He says that Tom Palmer is a bad guy because he is homosexual. Then he says some bad things about homosexuals in general. So, anti-gay bias is right there. But not so much racism and anti-semitism.

Bill Woolsey

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.19.05 (3:52 am)

Bill Woolsey:
Go to No Treason and follow the link yourself. Everything in quotes were HIS OWN WORDS.

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.20.05 (9:32 am)

How many times do you have to attack blacks publicly to be a racist bigot? How many times do you have to attack Jews publicly to be an anti-Semitic bigot? How many times do you have to attck gays publicly to be a homophobic bigot? Bob Wallace is clearly a racist. And if anyone had made up such a quote from me, I'd certainly post something denying that I had said it. Bob Wallace has not done that.

posted by: Bill Woolsey (reply)
post date: 07.21.05 (7:36 am)

Reply to: newbie

Perhaps he was joking? Perhaps he didn't really write that post. Someone else did and put his name to the remarks.

I believe that his remarks about Palmer and homosexuals and political correctness all suggest that those are his views.

But I would be much more certain if that wasn't the sole source.

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.21.05 (9:08 pm)

Then he ought to deny it. Has he? He posted under his own name with his usual handle at strike-the-root. The remarks are viciously racist (among other things) and are consistent with his general style and approach. If he denies it and provides at least some evidence that he didn't write it, that would cause at least a little doubt. A quick check of his web site doesn't show that, but he has posted about
"Space babes" in the last couple of days. Nothing denying that the quotation on strike-the-root was his posting and an expression of his views. Ugh. What an ungly sore on the underside of libertarianism that people like Bob Wallace have been drawn in by Lew Rockwell's weird obsession about the Confederacy, racial discrimination, etc., etc., etc.

posted by: newbie1 (reply)
post date: 07.22.05 (2:43 am)

"Perhaps he was joking?"

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. Maybe a neocon stole his username and password? Maybe a zionist was controling his brainwaves?

Ugh, this gets worse and worse.

posted by: Bill Woolsey (reply)
post date: 07.22.05 (3:37 am)

Reply to: newbie1

I don't read "Strike the Root" and I had never heard of this Wallace character until I read the reference to his post here and then his linked post. I don't generally read Rockwell or Mises.org. I do read anti-war.com.

To me, it just seemed incredible. Not just one or two globally negative stereotypes, but a whole list of them! It was just too over the top!

I googled Wallace and looked for other things in a similar vein. Nothing.

The only thing I saw was a personal attack on Tom Palmer. A claim that his "problems" probably exist because he is gay. And a general attack on homosexuals.

There were also statements by Wallace that he isn't politically correct. That raises a bit of a red flag for me.

His remarks about Palmer and this harping about not being politically correct do fit in with all the other one sentence dismissals of portions of the human race, adding up to the vast majority of the human race.

That Bob Wallace regularly posts to "Strike at the Root" and that his style, etc. were consistent with other posts, is further evidence.

I'm not sure how to take an absense of a denial. I suppose the longer that lasts, the better it serves as evidence.

Your final remark, "this just gets worse and worse," is offensive to me.

I don't support Rockwell. Wallace's remarks about Palmer (particularly about how Palmer's bad characteristics are probably due to being gay and then some general attack on homosexuals) is enough to give me a very negative impression of Wallace.

I still find it hard to believe that anyone could seriously list a set of bigoted stereotypes that dismiss most of the human race--and especially not then have articles all over the "nationalist" web promoting white power.

And if he is keeping his extreme bigotry largely undercover, why flaunt it on "Strike at the Root?"

I believe that there is a very serious problem with the paleo-libertarians. On the other hand, I think care must be taken in efforts to expose the problem.

Not every opponent of the neoconservatives faction in the Bush administration is an anti-semite. Not every anti-Zionist is an anti-semite.

It is apparent to me, however, that the paleo-libertarians are pleased as punch that the anti-semites appreciate their work against the neo-conservatives and the state of Israel. And, further, developed a longstanding alliance with at least some of them. Not a good thing, in my opinion.

I would note that testimony about Wallace's posting at Strike the Root and style and the like would be more credible if they weren't posted by "newbie 1."

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 07.23.05 (5:15 am)

Wallace used to have a lot of columns on lewrockwell.com and was listed on their list of columnists, but all that was dropped down the memory hole. Go back and look. No mention of Bob Wallace on LRC, but there was. A lot.

posted by: Bill Woolsey (reply)
post date: 07.23.05 (6:01 am)

Reply to: newbie

The first result for wallace using a google on rockwell's site--

www.lewrockwell.com/wallace/wallace-arch.html

And it is broken.

I don't understand your tone regarding "the memory hole."

There has been a justifiable complaint that Rockwell has a bunch of columns by authors who have written other things that are racist or anti-semitic.

Well, what is the solution to that problem? Drop such columnists.

I don't think there is anything unreasonable about treating people differently based upon their reputation in the broader community. Patrick Buchanan gets more slack that Bob Wallace. And, of course, I don't think that Patrick Buchanan (or even some of the obviously racist paleoconservatives) have written anything as extremely racist as Wallace.

I still find it hard to believe that anyone could take that kind of thing seriously! But, just because I find it hard to believe doesn't make it true.

posted by: (reply)
post date: 02.04.06 (10:01 am)

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posted by: rightwatch (reply)
post date: 02.24.07 (2:27 am)

Bill: If someone keeps waking up with Nazis in the morning at some point you ask yourself what the hell are they doing the night before. If it were once you might call it a misunderstanding. If rarely perhaps an odd fetish. If regularly its a romantic infatuation. The Rockwellian-Hoppe crowd hang out with bigots of all sorts. And it is not unusual that soneon who hates Jews also hates blacks and gays. In fact that is very, very often the case.

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