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That's a big confirmation
06.23.05 (3:26 am)   [edit]

It seems that our posting on countercultural matters and the Paleolibertarians has erupted into a full out donnybrook on another web site. http://www.tomgpalmer.com/arc...

The one thing I find disturbing is that people are concentrating on the issues of prostitution and drugs. My point was not that at all but the double standards and false claims that the Rothbardians rescued us from such counter culturialists. They were the counter culturialists. I did not identify the Rothbardians by name unless it was documented material. Now I myself saw the things I described. I have spoken to numerous people who saw the same thing. I saw the “Italian Stallion” ad once as a friend of the advertiser showed it to me. Yet one Paleo defender kept insisting such comments, though not the primary focus of our blog, were false.

Others posted comments there and said they saw it. But since they didn’t identify themselves they were dismissed. The one noted: “If you have ever seen [deleted for our site] all worked up in a tizzy, you would definitely not want him coming after you, either.” See this poster still lives near the person in question.

But the interesting comment came from Jeff Riggenbach who is someone I don’t always agree with but whom I’ve always respected. Jeff notes that he worked from June 1978 to January 1982 in the Libertarian Review offices “(next door to the SLS offices and down the block from the Cato Institute offices), and I know damned well that the sex and drug allegations being disputed here are true. X [deleted for our site] used to brag in the office about his ‘Italian Stallion’ ad and the part-time income it provided him.”

I hope we have that out of the way. The comment I made on prostitution and drugs was not a key element of the discussion. I don’t think it should be the focus of our attention. It is not these things the hypocrisy of the Paleos that concerns me as much as the links to racists, bigots and the lunatic fringe of the Right. That is what I think is the issue. And that is what I’m concentrating on. As far as I’m concerned Mr. Stallion and the substance entrepreneurs are a non-issue compared to the advocates of the New Confederacy, theocrats and white supremacists. Concentrating on such consention actions between adults only diverts attention from the real issue -- which may be why some Paleo defenders keep naming names -- which is the Paleo links to very suspect ideologies. Notice: After Mr. Riggenbach posted his confirmation he was called by the individual in question. What was said is known only to them but the result was that Mr. Riggenbach retracted his recollection. 

 

 

 

 

 


posted by: visiting (reply)
post date: 06.23.05 (4:12 pm)

I'm surprised a lot of people didn't know this already. Most of this was common knowledge when I got involved. The debate on this site at Palmers web site is very heated. www.tomgpalmer.com Names were named, which you didn't. Others confirmed it. Others denied it. More confirmed it. The person named denied it. It was all rather interesting and sometimes amusing. Well people are certainly talking about this site.



posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 06.24.05 (8:32 pm)

It's a smear, and a stupid one. There is no evidence for it. And no reason to even inquire into it, except the anonymous accusations of someone with an agenda.



posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 12.22.05 (8:03 pm)

Newbie prior says that there is no evidence for this "smear". Quite a few people not only heard this person admit it on many occassions but several saw the ads he was running calling himself "The Italian Stallion" and I suspcect back issues of the local gay rag in their archives would show that to be the case.

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